yesod: Creation of type-safe, RESTful web applications. API docs and the README are available at streaming- commons, template-haskell, text, transformers (>=), unix. Safe Haskell, None. Language, Haskell Description. Provides for getting input from either GET or POST params without generating HTML. API docs and the README are available at yesod-form. Third-party packages which you can find useful.
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Yesod (web framework)
This is my second attempt at learning Haskell, and I want to know if I know enough of the language to stop looking at learning resources haske,l start actually building things while learning. I feel comfortable with it, except for the IO stuff, which I will revisit. The stuff I know I don’t know are: Then, there’s the other programming stuff that is incredibly important but I imagine is closely within reach – how to organize code, modules, naming conventions, etc.
And of course, there’s always the stuff I don’t know I don’t know. I would recommend you don’t start with Yesod. Yesod uses a lot snd template haskell and quasi quoters, which I found confusing early on. When you’re making your first web server, I’d use Scotty or Spock. They are much simpler and will allow you to focus on learning Haskell, rather than learning Yesod. I’ll check out Scotty and Spock. Likely to go with one of the two given your comments on Yesod. I think this blog series I wrote might be helpful for you.
It walks through how to make a web server from a practical perspective it’s very light on theory. I was just browsing your link, and it is exactly what I think I need. Your explanation of Monads is commendable. After some thought, I think I’m going to jump into web development with Haskell, get stuck, and learn. I just see that as a faster path to becoming somewhat competent than continued book learning.
I’ve used Scotty myself and it’s a awesome! haskelo
yesod: Creation of type-safe, RESTful web applications.
If you do go down the Scotty route there are a bunch of example projects listed here: I don’t personally like Yesod either, but I seem to remember their documentation being petty beginner friendly. I vaguely remember the free Yesod book either introducing relevant abstractions like applicative for form validation as you needed them, or at least sign posting when more knowledge was needed.
I thought it was also not only beginner friendly but much better than competing frameworks. Kudos to the authors. I also thought that yesod being very opinionated in a lot of matters made it good for starting out. There are a lot of choices you don’t need to make.
Yea honestly, although Yesod isn’t my favorite framework, the Yesod book is a really great way to learn how to write practical apps with Haskell. Agree, I think the Yesod book is great and cover everything you need get you started: I would however, recommend trying to NOT use Yesod scaffolding especially for small project as I found it really hard to grasp the overall file structure.
The good stuff about Yesod iseven if you don’t like it, it’s quite easy to remove and replace the bits you don’t like. I would agree there. Scaffolded projects felt like they ended up being more trouble than it was worth. Yesod is a complete solution for apps serving HTML. Thus not for the more modern “singe page” apps that render by JS in the browser and mostly only send JSON over the wire. These more old school apps are still very useful, as they “just work”, and do not have to go with the latest-JS-fashion-du-jour.
I think that apps supporting business processes are a good fit, they usually do not need flashy JS stuff. It pretty much includes all you may need: Quite some ecosystem of libraries exist.
Your beginner questions are usually answered somewhere a simple Google query will take you.
A reasonable community exists and is helpful. I do not think Yesod is soo hard to get started with. If you want to prepare yourself better I can vouch for the Haskell from first principles Book. To clarify, Yesod works fine for single page apps too, and the scaffolding now includes an API usage example creating a comment from an Ajax request.
If making a true single page app you should be able to just remove packages like yesod-form to slim things down a tad. When I tried Yesod first time I couldn’t understand it at all. But after writing a small application with Snap which is modular and very understandable for newcomer I could easily identify the same patterns in Yesod and write Yesod applications easily with hasklel help from Yesod book.
Yesod is kind of its own thing. The book is definitely great, but it uses enough DSLs that’s it’s relatively foreign from Haskell proper and that can be off-putting. So this thread has a lot of interesting replies, but your reply addher helped nudge me into not using Yesod due to the “being relatively foreign to Haskell proper”.
Yesod Web Framework for Haskell
I decided to go with Snap – their About page sold me on their goals, methodologies, and it seems that they are very eager to interact with the community via IRC. Thank you all for the feedback! Oh, and btw, Hwskell don’t like Yesod either. It’s like learning django. I don’t think you need to understand monad. The documentation is so good that you can just copy paste and mimic.
I don’t understand why ppl don’t like yesod. But then you still need db, template, form solutions. Yesod provides everything, and the scaffolding template is top notch. The documentation is second to none. I think yesod is much easier to understand for beginners the hvect stuffs in spock gives me headache, and I have no idea about type operations so servant looks like magic to me.
I actually think the simple frameworks are best for experienced haskell web developers, ironically. Yesod is very opinionated and that makes for apps that “just work” out of the box.
The answer is yes. Yesod is great to get started, especially if you are a beginner: Some might argue that hazkell other framework are either more powerful or simpler, but that’s a bit irrelevant if you are just doing a little project to play with. What’s great about Yesod is the doc the book. I really like Yesod. It has a principled project structure, has everything you’re likely to need in a web app, and does a great job combining safety and convenience. If I were you, I would continue working through Haskell learning stuff while attempting to build smaller IO command line programs.
Yesod is a lot to jump into when you’re not familiar with IO or do notation. If that’s your goal I recommend reading Haskell from first principles. I gave a presentation on using Spock, maybe you’re interested in checking that out: It’s still my recommended lightweight framework. I yyesod a lot about spock, snap, happstack haskelll yesod before I started a real project. I chose yesod because its very good book and all the batteries included.
Since then I use yesod exclusively. All problems could be solved with the help of the yesod google group. Sure there are some harder topics like monadic forms or writing your own input fields, but you won’t need these in the beginning. Yesid thanks for the yesod team for keeping up this nice and polished framework. I worked through parts of realworldhaskell recently and it helped me to get more comfortable with e.
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Become a Redditor and subscribe to one of thousands of communities. Hi Folks, This is my second attempt at learning Haskell, and I want to know if I know enough of the language to stop looking at learning resources and start actually building things while learning.
If I had to enumerate what I know, here’s what I would check off: Want to add to the discussion? I don’t really like Yesod. For real projects I use Servant. I keep coming back to this series time to time. I’ll skim through it this evening and see if memory serves me correctly. Either uesod good luck!